KenDaMastuh asked this question 6 years, 9 months ago:

A brief clear-up on licensing requirements

Hey,

I had a brief question about licensing requirements that definitely needs to be cleared up before I schedule for a test date and study up.
I noticed that one of the requirements to take the test is a valid stateside license (a given, obviously).

My question relates to what form of license would be acceptable.
Transferring from Oklahoma, I possess an Intermediate Driver's License (IDL), with restrictions. The main rules are no night driving (10:00 P.M.-5:00 A.M.) and no more than 1 non-family passenger in your vehicle.
I was fairly close to getting a full driver's license and restrictions removed, but that time was after the date we were expected to be here.
So, would an IDL meet the stateside license requirements? I've heard from some that it would be alright, and that my USAREUR license would adopt my IDL's restrictions. I highly doubt that, though - I haven't seen it written anywhere, and the Ramstein base website specifically lists that your license can't be restricted.

So, I guess a follow-up question would be, in any case, how would I go about upgrading my stateside license to a full, unrestricted one?
Is it anything like license renewal (which from what I've read doesn't seem that difficult), or because I need an upgrade the process becomes more complicated?
Obviously my time to wait for an upgrade has long passed, and the process if I were still located in OK would be as simple as walking into the tag agency and asking for a full driver's license.
Thanks, and I hope to report on my endeavors soon. This has just been a major "roadblock" (literally) for me and I can't seem to get past it. Doesn't help that the DPS website for the state is slow to access and doesn't seem to contain much useful info from what I've searched.:tongue4:



6 years, 9 months ago

It sounds like you have the same kind of license that we call a "restricted" license in Florida. Although it is a driver license, it is not a full blown operator license, which you need to get your USAREUR driver license.

To upgrade your stateside license to a full, unrestricted license, would be up to Oklahoma. This most likely means you'd have to go to OK to take whatever testing requirement there is to upgrade your license.

I can't speak for OK, but in Florida, you get a restricted license at 15, and can get a full blown license at 16. I think you best course of action would be to get in touch with the Division of Motor Vehicles in your home state.

Also, just verify the info I have given you by calling the driver license issuing office on RAB. 06371-47-5534

Good luck. Let us know what they say.

6 years, 9 months ago

Quote by JOFTAA:
It sounds like you have the same kind of license that we call a "restricted" license in Florida. Although it is a driver license, it is not a full blown operator license, which you need to get your USAREUR driver license.

To upgrade your stateside license to a full, unrestricted license, would be up to Oklahoma. This most likely means you'd have to go to OK to take whatever testing requirement there is to upgrade your license.

I can't speak for OK, but in Florida, you get a restricted license at 15, and can get a full blown license at 16. I think you best course of action would be to get in touch with the Division of Motor Vehicles in your home state.

Also, just verify the info I have given you by calling the driver license issuing office on RAB. 06371-47-5534

Good luck. Let us know what they say.


Thanks - this is the impression I was getting from the info I've read up on. Seems the most logical, too.

I mean, it's not a permit, per se - I can drive without a licensed adult in the vehicle, but there are those restrictions which I previously mentioned. (If this is the same thing you can get in FL at 15 - wow, that would have been nice!)

There aren't any testing requirements to upgrade - that's all from when you go from a permit to an IDL.
To go from an IDL to a full driver's license (DL), all that I have to do is go 6 months without any sort of traffic violation (which was coming up before we moved).
I mean, if I were back there, all I would have to do is walk into a local tag agency and ask for a license upgrade.

Seems as simple as renewing a license, really. It's the same process, so I'm thinking it should be no more complicated than the mail-in license renewal procedures for those living out of state.
As you mentioned though, it's best to clarify it with the state, especially since the FAQ on their website doesn't specifically address my issue.
Who knows, maybe for a worst-case scenario I do have to upgrade in-person (which would be difficult for us - finances are fairly tight from settling down and all, and definitely wouldn't recover enough for a trip stateside anytime soon :().

Alright, I'll go ahead and give the licensing center a call tomorrow. Will report back soon, hopefully.

6 years, 9 months ago

I don't really understand OK's process. But, it still sounds to me like you don't have a full blown license from OK.

I would really pick up the phone and call the number in my previous post to ask.

Good luck. I hope you can use what you have.

6 years, 6 months ago

Wow, sorry for the long absence. School's sped up in pace and I really lost enthusiasm for driving/ wanting to get my license since then. :(

It's back now, though - I definitely want to get this all sorted out (especially since my dad has been pushing me to do it). So, a couple updates:

1. Yup - Looks like IDL's count, no restrictions allowed on your license, period. I need to fully "graduate" from the license program to get the restrictions removed (which I mentioned above - I do qualify for it).

2. Renewal is easy - IDL's are considered the same-class license as a full-blown/ unrestricted license, meaning that all renewal (in this case, upgrade) procedures are the same. I've just gotta fill out a form, provide copies of some ID, and get a check all mailed out and I should be good. I'll try to get this stuff mailed out by Saturday, if not sooner - hopefully I'll hear back soon with my request approved.

With that said, hopefully after that I'll be able to sign up for the USAREUR license test and use available study materials (particularly the ones you provide). My mother should be able to handle that process (dad is currently deployed). If all goes well, I should be licensed by this summer. Driving then definitely seems like an experience (especially being independent from the home and parents' schedules), for sure, and will prove particularly useful during the school year - a senior that can't drive is no happy senior at all (well, for me, at least).

I'll try to post any updates as they come.

6 years, 6 months ago

Quote by KenDaMastuh:
Wow, sorry for the long absence. School's sped up in pace and I really lost enthusiasm for driving/ wanting to get my license since then. :(

It's back now, though - I definitely want to get this all sorted out (especially since my dad has been pushing me to do it). So, a couple updates:

1. Yup - Looks like IDL's count, no restrictions allowed on your license, period. I need to fully "graduate" from the license program to get the restrictions removed (which I mentioned above - I do qualify for it).

2. Renewal is easy - IDL's are considered the same-class license as a full-blown/ unrestricted license, meaning that all renewal (in this case, upgrade) procedures are the same. I've just gotta fill out a form, provide copies of some ID, and get a check all mailed out and I should be good. I'll try to get this stuff mailed out by Saturday, if not sooner - hopefully I'll hear back soon with my request approved.

With that said, hopefully after that I'll be able to sign up for the USAREUR license test and use available study materials (particularly the ones you provide). My mother should be able to handle that process (dad is currently deployed). If all goes well, I should be licensed by this summer. Driving then definitely seems like an experience (especially being independent from the home and parents' schedules), for sure, and will prove particularly useful during the school year - a senior that can't drive is no happy senior at all (well, for me, at least).

I'll try to post any updates as they come.


I am a bit confused by one of your statements. What do you mean by
1. Yup - Looks like IDL's count, no restrictions allowed on your license, period.


Thanks

6 years, 6 months ago

I am a bit confused by one of your statements. What do you mean by Quote:
1. Yup - Looks like IDL's count, no restrictions allowed on your license, period.
Thanks


Sorry about that - I meant to say that Intermediate Driver's Licenses do not count as full licenses in order to fulfill the USAREUR licensing requirements. I will definitely need to upgrade to a full license, without restrictions.

6 years, 6 months ago

Quote by KenDaMastuh:
Sorry about that - I meant to say that Intermediate Driver's Licenses do not count as full licenses in order to fulfill the USAREUR licensing requirements. I will definitely need to upgrade to a full license, without restrictions.


For sure. The IDL doesn't count for anything in Germany. You use your USAREUR driver license in Germany, and your IDL when you leave Germany. You need to keep your USAREUR license with you, because you need to have both when driving outside of Germany (if you got your IDL in Germany). I got my IDL while in the states, so I had to carry my stateside license with my IDL. So, I was carrying my USAREUR license for while in Germany, and my stateside and IDL while outside of Germany. Hope that is not too confusing.

6 years, 6 months ago

I'll also be looking into getting an International Driver's License as well. First, I'd want to talk it over with my parents and see how necessary it is, but that is something I need to consider.

6 years, 6 months ago

Quote by KenDaMastuh:
I'll also be looking into getting an International Driver's License as well. First, I'd want to talk it over with my parents and see how necessary it is, but that is something I need to consider.


If you plan on driving outside of Germany, you'll need it. It expires in 3 years, and it is cheap enough to get. No harm in having it. Also, just to clarify, it is not a license. It is nothing more than a translation of your license into other languages, so when you are about to get beaten by a cop, he can read your information before deciding to put you in prison, or taking your bribe.

6 years, 5 months ago

Quote by JOFTAA:
If you plan on driving outside of Germany, you'll need it. It expires in 3 years, and it is cheap enough to get. No harm in having it. Also, just to clarify, it is not a license. It is nothing more than a translation of your license into other languages, so when you are about to get beaten by a cop, he can read your information before deciding to put you in prison, or taking your bribe.


True that. I'm still here for another year before college, and we may end up taking a few trips where my parents want to drink and I'm driving (they've complained before).
Understanding can make plenty of difference in a given situation.

Also, just an update: Got my paperwork sent off to get my full Oklahoma Driver's License on Friday. I'm sure I had everything in order, but I still hope I didn't screw anything up (copy of primary or secondary ID is unacceptable, wrong fee, just straight up can't do it, etc.). Also hoping it'll return in short order so that I can get started on getting my license here.

6 years, 5 months ago

Quote by KenDaMastuh:
True that. I'm still here for another year before college, and we may end up taking a few trips where my parents want to drink and I'm driving (they've complained before).
Understanding can make plenty of difference in a given situation.

Also, just an update: Got my paperwork sent off to get my full Oklahoma Driver's License on Friday. I'm sure I had everything in order, but I still hope I didn't screw anything up (copy of primary or secondary ID is unacceptable, wrong fee, just straight up can't do it, etc.). Also hoping it'll return in short order so that I can get started on getting my license here.


Just out of curiosity.. When you get your "full" license in Oklahoma, don't you have to take some kind of driving test on some kind of closed course, or at least drive around with a DMV examiner? Here in Florida, even after driving for a year (which is required before getting a full license), one can't get a full license without driving with a DMV examiner who will ask you to do things such as make turns, park, back out, 3 point turnabout, etc. The examiner will make sure you use a seat belt, use turn signals properly, make sure you are looking in your blind spots, etc. One can't just send away for a full license.

6 years, 5 months ago

Quote by JOFTAA:
Just out of curiosity.. When you get your "full" license in Oklahoma, don't you have to take some kind of driving test on some kind of closed course, or at least drive around with a DMV examiner? Here in Florida, even after driving for a year (which is required before getting a full license), one can't get a full license without driving with a DMV examiner who will ask you to do things such as make turns, park, back out, 3 point turnabout, etc. The examiner will make sure you use a seat belt, use turn signals properly, make sure you are looking in your blind spots, etc. One can't just send away for a full license.


Sorry, I should clarify: An Intermediate Driver's license acts more as a provisional full license than a Learner's Permit I believe you were initially describing. I took a road test with an examiner and passed, which is how I got my intermediate license in the first place.
With it, I'm allowed to drive on my own without a licensed adult; only restrictions are no nighttime driving and no more than 1 non-family occupant in the vehicle with you.
To upgrade to a full Driver's License (without above mentioned restrictions), you must have had no traffic restrictions in 6 consecutive months while possessing your Intermediate Driver's License. After that, for someone living in Oklahoma, you would simply go to the tag agency, pay a $20 replacement fee (the fee that I sent in), and a new, full license would be made for you.

6 years, 5 months ago

Quote by KenDaMastuh:
Sorry, I should clarify: An Intermediate Driver's license acts more as a provisional full license than a Learner's Permit I believe you were initially describing. I took a road test with an examiner and passed, which is how I got my intermediate license in the first place.
With it, I'm allowed to drive on my own without a licensed adult; only restrictions are no nighttime driving and no more than 1 non-family occupant in the vehicle with you.
To upgrade to a full Driver's License (without above mentioned restrictions), you must have had no traffic restrictions in 6 consecutive months while possessing your Intermediate Driver's License. After that, for someone living in Oklahoma, you would simply go to the tag agency, pay a $20 replacement fee (the fee that I sent in), and a new, full license would be made for you.


Cool. Sounds like you're all set. OK has a reciprocal agreement with Germany. You can get an actual German driver license. That would be super cool for you. Check this out. Then, you can get the USAREUR license without taking the test. Read the info at the link I just posted.

6 years, 5 months ago

Quote by JOFTAA:
Cool. Sounds like you're all set. OK has a reciprocal agreement with Germany. You can get an actual German driver license. That would be super cool for you. Check this out. Then, you can get the USAREUR license without taking the test. Read the info at the link I just posted.


Awesome - I remember seeing that post when I first visited the forum. Seems simple enough, really - I just wonder where I would procure an acceptable translation and what the written statement looks like.
I guess it would all boil down to what my parents want me to do. I'm not sure about my dad, but I know my mom is fairly cautious about it. In the end, I'm sure both would want me to thoroughly know road signs and right-of-way. I'm also thinking it might be a good idea for those reasons as well (although I could just do that after the fact; though knowing myself, I would have less motivation to do so).

6 years, 5 months ago

If my son had the opportunity to get a German driver license while we were over there, it would have been the highlight of his time in Germany.

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