Mary asked this question 9 years, 4 months ago:

Per person utilities

If a house listing shows that the Landlord charges 30 Euro/month per person for water- do they count the two children, or only the two adults? Otherwise, adding 120 Euro a month for water just seems unreasonable.

Here is what I'm looking at (copied from AHRN since I can't post the link to the listing):

House, living space 178 sqm, total space 258 sqm. Rent 1350,- €, Deposit 1600,- €, available
Nov. 1 th, Heating own oil, Electricity by meter, water 30,- € pers/mth fixed, garbage 30,- € mth fixed, heat inspection 17,48 €/mth fixed. Available Nov. 1 th
1 big living room 1 dining room, 2 full bath, furnished with bath and shower, 4 bed-rooms, 1 bid eat-in kitchen with Frühstücksbar, 1 attic for storage 2 Garages + big parking area, big utility room, big heating and washroom, open fire-place, 3 balconees. fenced garden, AFN dish, Internet: DSL 3-6 mega bits, outstanding landscape scenery. Vogelweh school district



9 years, 4 months ago

Kids tend to use more water, especially if they take baths. Keep in mind, if the water bill is for less, the landlord has to credit you the money. He's just estimating the usage.

Our landlord does the same thing. When we got the final bill, it was for less than what we were charged, so we got a rebate from our landlord. Check with your landlord to see if he's doing the same.

It sounds like a nice house, but if it were me, I would not rent it without seeing it first. Sometimes you'll find that the bedrooms are the size of a closet. Get measurements from the landlord if you don't know the sizes of the rooms. 178 sqm is a decent size house.

9 years, 4 months ago

You could ask the LL if He/She will bill water per the Meter reading. They have to provide you a bill anyway, so it should be a reasonable request.

Worth a try anyway.

9 years, 4 months ago

Also, get the landlord to include the garages as a part of the rent instead as a separate line item on your lease. That way you get reimbursed for it. Housing won't pay the fee for garage(s) if it/they is/are separate.

9 years, 4 months ago

Considering our OHA for my husband's rank is only 1210 Euro/month, we'd already be paying out of pocket for the house. So, it seems that having the add the garages to the rent wouldn't help at all in that instance. Since I plan on working (either teaching, substitute teaching, or teaching private violin lessons) we figure we can afford a LITTLE bit more than his OHA. But not much.

Also, since it says "fixed" for the monthly fees, I was under the impression that meant that it was a flat charge from them regardless of use (since other postings said "Est.", which I thought meant you would get money back if the bill actually ended up less). So- the term "fixed" means that we would get a refund if we go under, and owe if we go over? Does the LL have to show us the bill to justify the amount?

I am also extremely hestitant to rent a place without looking at it- but we have plenty of time before we arrive to "window shop". The house isn't even available until Nov 1st. He did not post any pictures of the kitchen either, so I am planning to email him with a few questions (bedroom sizes, please provide pictures of the kitchen, etc).

9 years, 4 months ago

Quote by Mary:
Considering our OHA for my husband's rank is only 1210 Euro/month, we'd already be paying out of pocket for the house. So, it seems that having the add the garages to the rent wouldn't help at all in that instance. Since I plan on working (either teaching, substitute teaching, or teaching private violin lessons) we figure we can afford a LITTLE bit more than his OHA. But not much.

Also, since it says "fixed" for the monthly fees, I was under the impression that meant that it was a flat charge from them regardless of use (since other postings said "Est.", which I thought meant you would get money back if the bill actually ended up less). So- the term "fixed" means that we would get a refund if we go under, and owe if we go over? Does the LL have to show us the bill to justify the amount?

I am also extremely hestitant to rent a place without looking at it- but we have plenty of time before we arrive to "window shop". The house isn't even available until Nov 1st. He did not post any pictures of the kitchen either, so I am planning to email him with a few questions (bedroom sizes, please provide pictures of the kitchen, etc).



I'm curious...about renting before you get there. I thought it was a definite no-no and that you couldn't rent without housing approving the contract? Is there a way around this? If so, and we can go ahead and rent a house, that would be great!

9 years, 4 months ago

I don't know the answer to your question about the 'fixed' items. That would have to be answered by your landlord. I'd be interested in knowing, though. It would not be beneficial to you if you used less than what he was paying for the fixed items. On the other hand, you can bet that he would start asking you for money if you used more than what you paid for the fixed items. That is unless you specifically put it in the contract that fixed means that you don't pay more if you use more than what he charged you.

9 years, 4 months ago

Quote by Denise:
I'm curious...about renting before you get there. I thought it was a definite no-no and that you couldn't rent without housing approving the contract? Is there a way around this? If so, and we can go ahead and rent a house, that would be great!


I really have no idea what the rules are. We are not planning on renting a house before we get there, only looking to see what will (hopefully) be available once we arrive in October.

I suppose if we found something we absolutely loved we could contact the landlord, and if they were willing we could pay some sort of fee for them to hold it until we got there to do the contract. They may not ever be willing to do that, I don't know. Like I said, without seeing a place, I'm not likely to sign paperwork for it!!

9 years, 4 months ago

If you are looking now for what will be available when you get here, you are wasting your time.

Anything that you find available today is likely to be already gone within a day or two. Especially during peak PCS season.

9 years, 4 months ago

Quote by Mary:
I really have no idea what the rules are. We are not planning on renting a house before we get there, only looking to see what will (hopefully) be available once we arrive in October.

I suppose if we found something we absolutely loved we could contact the landlord, and if they were willing we could pay some sort of fee for them to hold it until we got there to do the contract. They may not ever be willing to do that, I don't know. Like I said, without seeing a place, I'm not likely to sign paperwork for it!!


oh,okay. thanks. I read your post as you were renting ahead of time, but that is probably due to my lack of sleeping and my high stress level at the moment. Thank you for clarifying.

9 years, 4 months ago

Quote by JOFTAA:
If you are looking now for what will be available when you get here, you are wasting your time.

Anything that you find available today is likely to be already gone within a day or two. Especially during peak PCS season.


This particular house isn't available until Nov 1st. So, although they are few and far between, there are a few that are being posted that may be available. Of course, someone who arrives in Sept or Oct could go see the house and sign a contract and wait in Temporary Living until they move in Nov 1st. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

Really all I'm doing on AHRN right now is becoming familiar with the listings, the villages, what houses look like, and what we can expect for our money. I've already compiled a list of villages that are (in my opinion) too far, ones that are worth considering, and ones that are ideal. Now I won't waste any time reading the listing of a house that is a 45 minute drive away, when we know we don't want to live that far from Ramstein. I created a Search using the parameters we prefer regarding price, yard, rooms, etc....and Saved the search so every time I login it shows me the new listings.

I really cannot imagine arriving in Germany not having done any of this ahead of time and just winging it! The more I know before we arrive, the better- I like to educate myself on things.......I'm a teacher, what can I say? Not to mention- it is monsoon season here and I don't feel like swimming anywhere today.

9 years, 4 months ago

Quote by Mary:
This particular house isn't available until Nov 1st. So, although they are few and far between, there are a few that are being posted that may be available. Of course, someone who arrives in Sept or Oct could go see the house and sign a contract and wait in Temporary Living until they move in Nov 1st. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

Really all I'm doing on AHRN right now is becoming familiar with the listings, the villages, what houses look like, and what we can expect for our money. I've already compiled a list of villages that are (in my opinion) too far, ones that are worth considering, and ones that are ideal. Now I won't waste any time reading the listing of a house that is a 45 minute drive away, when we know we don't want to live that far from Ramstein. I created a Search using the parameters we prefer regarding price, yard, rooms, etc....and Saved the search so every time I login it shows me the new listings.

I really cannot imagine arriving in Germany not having done any of this ahead of time and just winging it! The more I know before we arrive, the better- I like to educate myself on things.......I'm a teacher, what can I say? Not to mention- it is monsoon season here and I don't feel like swimming anywhere today.


I totally agree. We are doing something similar on AHRN as well. I like to have as much info as possible, and that's why I was curious about when I thought you were renting ahead of time. I'm very Type A and if I can have everything done, it's a big relief for me. That is why I'm so stressed right now, I can't understand how it can possibly take this long to come back with our orders. I can't help but think that we are lost somewhere, but that is just me. I need to have my finger on everything. My husband is a Saint, for living with me this long. It drives him crazy, but I can't help it. Knowledge is a good thing, right?

9 years, 4 months ago

If your Husband is Active Military the contract has to be reviewed by the Housing Office and they have to sign off on before Finance will advance you any money for the deposit and first months rent. I know the house we moved into on Saturday when we were looking at it the Landlord told us he wanted to charge 1700 Euro a month rent (it is a brand new house). Housing came out and inspected the house and told him the max amount of rent he could charge us is 1540 Euro a month. Not sure why they decided this, but they did. We looked at one house and that Landlord wanted to up the rent, but told us he had to get approval from Housing first.

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